tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post1659369241635592244..comments2024-03-27T16:13:21.245-07:00Comments on Bob McKerrow - Wayfarer: What Life Asks of UsBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-54085651878929077172024-03-27T16:13:21.245-07:002024-03-27T16:13:21.245-07:00ما هو افضل بروكر للتداول؟؟ما هو <a href="https://aswaqdaily.com/%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%B6%D9%84-%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%AC%D9%8A/" rel="nofollow">افضل بروكر للتداول</a>؟؟Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-85346502665497380942009-02-07T03:30:00.000-08:002009-02-07T03:30:00.000-08:00Dear MarjaWhere to start and where to finish. I fi...Dear Marja<BR/><BR/>Where to start and where to finish. I find your passion and knowledge on the subject admirable and I generally support your views. It is hard to get acciracy in these blog discussions but I like the comments which have come through in the last days.<BR/><BR/>I suppose it is like a fridge full of healthy and unhealthy food. We as parents have to have the knowledge to know the good from bad, and try to teach our children the same. Institutions, like the fridge contain the healthy and unhealthy, but do we know them well enough and their hidden agendas.<BR/><BR/>Guest have just arrived so I have to fly.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-29516971294322240612009-02-07T03:26:00.000-08:002009-02-07T03:26:00.000-08:00.......and the ones who can don't get the funding...........and the ones who can don't get the funding. Ok now I stopMarjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-57871902308190060402009-02-07T03:14:00.000-08:002009-02-07T03:14:00.000-08:00one more thing. The problem of violence again star...one more thing. The problem of violence again starts in the home. <BR/>I think people don't value children enough. Many parents work both full time Have no time to raise kids. I have worked in preschool factories were kids don't learn values<BR/>I can give many examples and write an extensive paper on it. Institutions won't save themMarjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-76765759198891949462009-02-07T03:10:00.000-08:002009-02-07T03:10:00.000-08:00Hi Bob I think we are talking about a lot of diffe...Hi Bob I think we are talking about a lot of different things here The concept of institution is broad and yes there are many different ones.<BR/>To keep it simple I define it as an organisation with rules to govern behaviour of a group of individuals.<BR/><BR/>Ok nothing wrong with that. Institutionalisation has some side effect. I talked about education. The set of rules in this area hasn't changed in a 100 years while our community and demand for certain people has changed enormously. Life changes faster than ever before and the demand for creative innovative people therefore as well. <BR/><BR/>In many institutions rules and values are established without ever questioned again. In some childrens home are rules wich is far off a normal home. Everybody inside sees them as normal An outsider would question them.<BR/><BR/>I think an institution works when you ask all the time. Why was this rule made Does it still make sense. Does it stil serve the people and community etc. Not just apply it just because it is there.<BR/><BR/>You probably did the right thing for these young people and got good results.<BR/><BR/>I think many instutions don't deliver the right results for everybody and everybody is important or not. Anyway I hope I can make myself clear and you underatand what I mean<BR/><BR/>So inflexibility and being rigid is my problemMarjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-81774927924173711592009-02-06T18:27:00.000-08:002009-02-06T18:27:00.000-08:00Kia Ora RobbThe discussion gets interesting, You m...Kia Ora Robb<BR/><BR/>The discussion gets interesting, You mention the music and the program Mike Chunn has started for teenagers. And you say "Yet to write a song, or perform a song is still using an institutional structure is it not?" <BR/>Yes, but some structures are useful and value free, and let the individual develop naturally. Even jail as a structure has its place, if there is adequate emphasis on reform, remorse and rehabilitation.<BR/><BR/>But what scares me is the increasing violence on TV, on computer games, portable play stations and around us on the streets. Don De Lillo in his book Mao II, says “What terrorists gain, novelists lose. The degree to which they influence mass consciousness is the extent of our [the writers’] decline as shapers of sensibility and thought. The danger they represent equals our own failure to be dangerous.”<BR/><BR/>The words - "what terrorists gain, novelists lose. The degree to which they influence mass consciousness " - is frightening.<BR/><BR/>9/11, Bali bombings, London bombings and graphic scenes from Afghanistan, Iraq and Gaza has whetted people's appetites for more violence and the poor novelist's labour lies caked in dust on a shelf.<BR/><BR/>The novel dies as more people die, whilst the industries thrive as the pedal violence in its many guises.<BR/><BR/>I better stop there as I feel I am rambling.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-50845755690423273082009-02-06T16:17:00.000-08:002009-02-06T16:17:00.000-08:00Kia ora Bob, Your experiences with the kids in the...Kia ora Bob,<BR/> Your experiences with the kids in the Tararua's is an amazing one really. I recall you saying that first some of these tough guys needed to be broken down, and what better place than the mountains to rally gain some insight. Both D'arcy's and Marja's comments relate to what I posted about music and the program Mike Chunn has started for these teen agers. Yet to write a song, or perform a song is still using an institutional structure is it not? I mean you have to understand the rules of musical scale, or writing poetry and lyrics, ect. But the action and result comes from a different place, locked up emotion waiting to be released, a failure to be able to communicate any other way how a boy feels towards his father in these akward teen age years, how it is to have your bet friend kill himself at age 15, or tell your parents you love them. All in beautiful music, and to create a place where New Zealand musical icons are giving something back in an unusual way is to me a perfect example of combining established institutions with somewhat liberal treatment of how it gets done. The results are amazing.Ruahineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398484733805119294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-31398632264343807912009-02-06T14:56:00.000-08:002009-02-06T14:56:00.000-08:00Dear MarjaA good discussion is developing. Frankly...Dear Marja<BR/><BR/>A good discussion is developing. Frankly, it depends on the instituation we talk about. I ran an institution called the arapaepar Outfoor pursuits centre ion the foothills of the Tararuas, near Levin. 90 % of our students were heading for maximum security prison and had raped, armed robbery, attempted murder etc.<BR/><BR/>We had no locks which floored them or arrival as they wanted to break into everything. We made huge changes in their lives and followed up b visiting their communities. I was proud of that institution until the national Govt. pulled the plug on funding.<BR/><BR/>Marja, Indonesia is such a diverse country and as your brother said, such friendly people.<BR/><BR/>Let's continue the dicussion as I feel your passion and experience for the subject.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-72440933590934745592009-02-06T14:51:00.000-08:002009-02-06T14:51:00.000-08:00Good morning D'ArcyThe dawm is just breaking on Ja...Good morning D'Arcy<BR/><BR/>The dawm is just breaking on Jakarta.<BR/><BR/>No I haven't read " Generation Me" but I'll try and get a copy of it.<BR/><BR/>Reality TV and the need to be famous is an interesting concept, but it cam teach values which leads to humiliating people. <BR/><BR/>I am very interested that you teach 15 to 18 year olds. They can be a very rewarding group to teach if yjhru are imbued with the right attitude/<BR/><BR/>I was Director of the NZ Outward Bound School and I instructed silver spooners to young gous released from jail for the course. We had amazing breakthroughs with the latter and I think it came down to basic respect. If you respect people and treat them as you would like to ne treated by them, the anger dissapates and I used to find a beautiful constructive person inside.<BR/><BR/>Keep learning as I am !<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-80823207335854678232009-02-06T14:37:00.000-08:002009-02-06T14:37:00.000-08:00Thanks you Bob I agree that followers should not b...Thanks you Bob I agree that followers should not be sheeplike I find however that many institutions do produce sheep. In institution kids have to conform to all cost and just have to digest information and spit it out. <BR/>I did some psychology papers. As long as you produced the material they provided in some way you got high marks. When you came up with new ideas which were also scientifically underpinned but came from a completely different field Like I waved sensory integration into a paper about behavious modification and encountered a lot of resistance.<BR/>I know institutions produce results but it goes at the cost of a valuable part of our most creative kids and only caters for academic and sports people.<BR/><BR/>BTW I saw intreped journeys on TV <BR/>It was about Jakarta and java Very interesting. So sad that tourism is almost zero It is such a beautiful place. I hope to go to Indonesia one day My brother said they were the most friendliest people fom all the asian countries he wentMarjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-86082640407824411912009-02-06T11:23:00.000-08:002009-02-06T11:23:00.000-08:00A beautiful family Bob!I agree. As a teacher of 16...A beautiful family Bob!<BR/><BR/>I agree. As a teacher of 16, 17, and 18 year olds, I can see a lot of truth in this.<BR/><BR/>Have you read "Generation Me?" It puts forth very similar ideas. I actually make it required reading among my students and have several discussions. One of the biggest developments in the world is this idea of fame. This need to be famous, even if it's on horrific reality tv shows. It's an interesting subject and one I am trying hard to understand and help solve.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584248569655542892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-90336526047993662852009-02-06T05:40:00.000-08:002009-02-06T05:40:00.000-08:00Dear MarjaThanks for the comments on my daughters....Dear Marja<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comments on my daughters. I am very proud of them. Yes Aroha is from Ch Ch.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-11284528443550293752009-02-06T05:39:00.000-08:002009-02-06T05:39:00.000-08:00Dear MarjaYou know the fields of family and educat...Dear Marja<BR/><BR/>You know the fields of family and education. I like you comments " Respect for institutions, people, communities are not breed in schools but in families." So true.<BR/><BR/>I enjoyed reading the comments and examples you gave about your children.<BR/><BR/>We need leaders and followers in this world, but followship should not be sheeplike, but people who feel comfortable being well led.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments Marja. I really value them.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-10430885687596787742009-02-06T05:32:00.000-08:002009-02-06T05:32:00.000-08:00Kia Ora RobbGlad you knew Ryne Sandberg. Sounds a ...Kia Ora Robb<BR/><BR/>Glad you knew Ryne Sandberg. Sounds a good club man: staunchly loyal.<BR/><BR/>The subject is a fascinating one and as parents we try to do the best when raising our children, and most times we get it right, often through giving love and support, and stability. The institutional approach I struggle with but it does seem to produce results.<BR/><BR/>Take care Robb.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-84427345731145026182009-02-05T20:35:00.000-08:002009-02-05T20:35:00.000-08:00Oh and your daughters are gorgeous you must be a p...Oh and your daughters are gorgeous you must be a proud dad. Aroha from ChristchurchMarjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-48317319258775581742009-02-05T20:32:00.000-08:002009-02-05T20:32:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Marjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-67848651825905581972009-02-05T20:26:00.000-08:002009-02-05T20:26:00.000-08:00Respect for institutions, people, communities are ...Respect for institutions, people, communities are not breed in schools but in families.<BR/>I think most new Zealand schools are very conservative but I have seen never so much disrespect. I have sent my child to a very conservative relegious school with high discipline and took him out of there. A lot of bullying even by the teachers when you are not academic.<BR/>Have a great day, marja<BR/>Luckily I thought my child to stand up for himself and in a respectful way he talked to the teacher and she apologised to him.<BR/>I also think that children need to<BR/>learn to think for themselves to challenge prejudice and more. When my children were small and went to a holiday programme one child couldn't climb on a pole. One child rediculed him and all followed. My girl stood up and said to them "you need to encourage him" and started to do that, a leader and me followed and some kids did.<BR/>I was very proud that day. Yes we need to serve the community but not folow them blindly. My kids are now in a very liberal school and learn to think even more for themselves which means thinking before acting. Asking why they do things. <BR/>Our children need to <BR/>be able to accept differences and to think for themselves instead of just being followers or sheep.<BR/>Yes it is easier for everybody to lead the sheep. But we also need <BR/>leaders, entrepreneurs , artist etc and they wouldn't be good if they were sheep.<BR/>Anyway I think both are important but it depends on the person were you put the stress on. You know mine now.Marjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-79818728129689608762009-02-05T19:04:00.000-08:002009-02-05T19:04:00.000-08:00Kia ora Bob, A lot of food for thought there, thin...Kia ora Bob,<BR/> A lot of food for thought there, things I have not about before. <BR/> I am not a huge baseball fan but I used to love the Cubs, and Ryne Sandberg was just amazing to watch, certainly a sportsman I deeply respect.<BR/> Certainly, your children, at least the ones I have had the pleasure of meeting, are loving, giving, and caring people which is to me the greatest measure of success both for them and their parents.<BR/> I guess I too am using a mixture of both philosophies with my boys though sometimes it feels like I am flying by the seat of my pants.<BR/> A very Happy Waitangi Day to you Bob, very hot here and I am about to get the grill fired up and crack a very cold beer! I shall toast you my friend.<BR/>Cheers,<BR/>RobbRuahineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398484733805119294noreply@blogger.com