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You raise so many salient points that I don't feel a need to comment, as you have covered a lot of ground that I generally agree with.<BR/><BR/>Yes the fear of having to be rescued and portrayed as an idiot is a good deterent.<BR/><BR/>Ruahines, Jamie, Marja and yourself have all made pertinent comments and I thank you for yours.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-47615902626115193342009-02-01T09:05:00.000-08:002009-02-01T09:05:00.000-08:00Hello Bob.I think the topic of risk in the outdoor...Hello Bob.<BR/><BR/>I think the topic of risk in the outdoors sometimes (not always) correlates with people making mistakes. For most tragedies, it's possible to look back in hindsight and claim that somebody should have checked the weather forecast, or they should have had better footwear, or they shouldn't have tried to cross a river in flood, or they should have been using ropes, or they should have avoided doing whatever they did because they didn't have the skills, and so on.<BR/><BR/>This criticism is often justified as there are certainly many people out there who jump into doing silly things in the outdoors without necessary caution. I never had the impression that this was the case with the Outdoor Pursuits Center, though. It strikes me as an organisation that would typically excercise extreme caution for good reason, and was simply caught out by unfortunate circumstances. The words you've expressed in this post simply reinforce my belief of this.<BR/><BR/>From time to time I've wondered if we (as a nation) get too critical, and need to openly accept that you can prepare and organise and research and plan until the end of time, but sometimes people simply make mistakes -- even extremely cautious and conservative people. Often they're silly mistakes that people would never make under normal circumstances and they're embarassing in hindsight, but people make them anyway, because that's what people do.<BR/><BR/>The most recent time I remember <EM>really</EM> thinking this was in August last year when the group of six Australians were rescued from Mount Cook National Park after a week-long trip and being caught in a storm. Perhaps you're in a better position to understand the details of that event beyond what was reported in the media, but I remember at the time it sounded as if they were generally very well prepared for what they had planned. Once they were finally rescued, and it was reported they'd spent a day or two desperately trying to keep their tents dug out, I remember at least one SAR official being portrayed as grumbling that they should have taken more snow shovels. I'm sure this was true, and I'd wager that the members of that party would have realised exactly the same thing after the event. The way it was presented to the public in this particular report, however, was that they were stupid idiots who hadn't prepared properly... seemingly just like everyone else who gets themselves into trouble.<BR/><BR/>The woman who was swept away crossing a river on Egmont recently made a bad decision. She let her desire to get out and the pelting rain overtake her judgement of the danger of the flooded river, and tried to cross when she should have. It's likely that if she was watching from an outside perspective, she would have considered it as a textbook case of when not to cross, but she did so anyway because actually being in a difficult situation can cloud people's judgement.<BR/><BR/>I like to think that in similar situations I'd do exactly the right thing. I'd return the way I came, or set up my shelter and wait it out until it was safe to cross. The truth is that I might do the right thing 50 times and mess it up once; perhaps there would be a single time when I'd forget to bring my own shelter. I <EM>know</EM> I'll make unintended mistakes from time to time, as will everyone (some more than others). I just have to do everything I can to prepare, and take the risk that those mistakes and mis-judgements won't cross with the occasions in which they could lead to serious consequences. It's a low risk and one I'm willing to take, but I can't absolutely guarantee that it's a risk that will never occur.<BR/><BR/>I do think it's ironic that one of my biggest fears from outdoor activities is <EM>not</EM> having an accident and needing to invoke a rescue operation (perhaps it should be) as it is being portayed as an idiot in the media after it happens. Perhaps this is a good thing. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-87255798828121351862009-01-24T03:56:00.000-08:002009-01-24T03:56:00.000-08:00Thanks mMrja. I appreciate your point of view as i...Thanks mMrja. I appreciate your point of view as i know you have worked with young people for a long time. No one sets out to harm people, and no matter the degree of experience, things can go wrong. My heart goes out to the families too. BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-36709784544091734582009-01-24T03:38:00.000-08:002009-01-24T03:38:00.000-08:00Didn't this happen already a while ago. This is a ...Didn't this happen already a while ago. This is a difficult subject. I've worked with people who worked voluntary with kids outdoors all the time. They all took safety serious but all knew that there are risk involved and things happen here and everywhere. I have never met an irresponsible volenteer You wouldn't do the demanding work in the first place if you didn't care.<BR/>People who judge are not in the frontlines in the first place<BR/>That doesn't take away the sadness of course but lets not make it even more difficultMarjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458942200244031009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-48690388377765821842009-01-23T21:50:00.000-08:002009-01-23T21:50:00.000-08:00JamieRight on Jamie. You've worked sometime in the...Jamie<BR/><BR/>Right on Jamie. You've worked sometime in the outdoors and you know how difficult it is to get funding. DoC had little funding and it took Cave Creek and the death of about 12 people to jolt the Government into funding outdoor tracks, bridges, swing bridges and camping grounds etc. The best ever Minister for Sport and Rec was Phil Goff, the leader of the opposition now. Let's lobby him and dear old Helene, she likes a bit of outdoor rec.<BR/><BR/>Tred gentle Jamie.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-14105755995106015942009-01-23T21:36:00.000-08:002009-01-23T21:36:00.000-08:00Interesting thoughts Bob.What I can't see is anyth...Interesting thoughts Bob.<BR/><BR/>What I can't see is anything positive coming out of this tragedy. How many commentators have noted how grossly underfunded the outdoor education sector is?<BR/><BR/>If we place importance on sending our kids into the outdoors why don't we fund the centres properly, at least create wage equality betwenn outdoor instructors and other teachers?<BR/><BR/>The other thing I believe it exposes is that all the good paperwork and procedures in the world don't count for anything compared to good staff training. Personal experience and judgement are everything in the outdoors.<BR/><BR/>I think I may have to blog about this at some stage. It is going to be interesting to see all the reports etc drift out over the next few years.<BR/><BR/>Take care<BR/><BR/>J<BR/><BR/>ps: Robb, flick the switch on Michael Laws bro!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602741689946125871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-13800615952901953532009-01-23T15:44:00.000-08:002009-01-23T15:44:00.000-08:00Kia OraI cannot but endorse what you have written....Kia Ora<BR/><BR/>I cannot but endorse what you have written. In sending your child to a reputable outdoor centre, the biggest risk is an accident or death on the road. A number of outdoor centres have had a death which are either in, or not to far from an, Act Of God happening, and everyone learns. Tragic as it may sound, it is evolution. People like Laws want more laws , regulation and retribution. <BR/><BR/>Off to football with the boys. Have a great weekend. We celebrate the Chinese New year on Monday.<BR/><BR/>BobBob McKerrow - Wayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832128768908667724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8199830678971482883.post-64510481314298497792009-01-23T14:07:00.000-08:002009-01-23T14:07:00.000-08:00Kia ora Bob, I am very concerned about this issue,...Kia ora Bob,<BR/> I am very concerned about this issue, particularly the last few days listening to a lowest common demoninator talk back host Micheal Laws prattle on about the need for scalps in this tragic episode. What guarantees do people want when interacting with wild places? Do the benefits outweigh the risks for young people, for any person, who puts themselves in situations or places that are both beautiful and potentially dangerous? Do we create an outdoors full of cement walkways, barriers, and wardens watching every move?<BR/>This was tragic accident, and certainly the systems invovled need to be reviewed, but this incessant need to blame someone I do not fully understand.<BR/>When I take my boys tramping I am ultra cautious, but there are still moments of risk. I have spent many extra days, as have you, waiting out weather or situations, rather than carry on, yet there have still been close calls along the way. In the end I would not have it any other way.<BR/> I fully realize we do not send our children to these organizations thinking they will be at risk, or even killed,but<BR/>to think there is no risk at all,or want assurances that nothing bad will ever happen is defeating the whole concept of wild places. As Edward Abbey wrote of traveling iin the desert successfully, "Enter at Your Own Risk".<BR/>My empathy goes out to the families and to the staff involved in this horrible tragedy, but this witch hunt must end. Lets fix the systems and move on. Too many young people, and people like Laws are so disconnected from nature and wild places. These organiztions do good work.<BR/>Cheers,<BR/>RobbRuahineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398484733805119294noreply@blogger.com